Actually, I misspoke; since I'm using yaboot I don't have grub. tried the ctrl-g with yaboot and it didn't work but I don't think pc speaker works for me anyway. I tried to compile the 2.6.24 kernel but had problems with keyboard; haven't figured out whether or not the problem is speakup-related or something else. I also will have to dig up info on software speech if I decide to try to get speakup going; it's been a long time since I did this. I insgtalled speech-dispatcher but then uninstalled it when I discovered that orca quits talking when the speech daemon is running. Eventually I'll put it back on and not let it run automatically. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."