Does your keyboard work if you don't have speakup installed. You can check this by logging in upon boot and then hitting a control-g to get the system to beep. That is unless you don't have a speaker installed. You should be able to do that without speech. You could also compile speakup as modules as a test and try loading it from the command line after logging in and running the beep test. I just want to establish whether you are having a speakup problem or not. If it patched correctly I can't think why it would be behaving like this. Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061