I'll give you advanced age ya old fart. I'll work on setting up the router to allow speakfreely but I can't promise anything, it'll be good to get on there occasionally. now if only skype was free software or at the least open source. we could have a nice ncurses front end for it hahaha. -- Shaun Oliver gORT: "I plan to have an intergalactic war to end all intergalactic wars! it'll be planet against planet, world against world, star against star! NO ONE WILL SURVIVE!" Cremon: "But what if it rains?" Gort: "Then it'll be held indoors. It's too late to cancel now anyway, tickets were sold out weeks ago." Cremon of the star corps.