Well James, 1 difference I notice is while reading mail or especially an index in pine. In windows with Jaws, the screen refreshes more actively, so the display of the index has a more up2date count. As where reading mail in pine with speakup seems more responsive, but like I say, yo are reviewing the screen differently. 1 nice thing is in speakup, you just use single keystrokes to look around your current screen. Otherwise, only things I really miss in this screen-reader are an exception dictionary--and wanting to turn off numbers, so they are spoken as single digits Hart