I've been trying for a couple of days now to patch a kernel via the checkout script; even re-downloaded it in case it had been updated. reading the archives I see that it was accidentally turned off earlier in June and that there was another mishap later in June. then I see Tyler's question about this on June 29th. Is cvs down? also, when i try to go to the Florida link I just get a blank page. if the problem is on the speakup end, any idea when things will be back up again? Tia. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."