Oh, also it sounds like the firewall problem maybe on your friends side. You should probably get the sample reflector script in the goodies directory and edit it for your details and try communicating with the folks on the speakup reflector. That will give you experience setting up and communicating which will go a long way toward getting your connection working between you and your friend. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061