Hello Hynek: Setting up a speakup group is probably a good idea if one wishes to keep things owned by group/users other than root. I have always set things owned by root.root with permissions of 770/660 when necessary to protect against other prying eyes. Most often these days a system is only used by the person that owns it so protection isn't typically a serious issue but certainly could be in labs and other places there are more than a single user. Until now I have allowed most speakup settings to be changed by anyone except where they are an option which can damage the operation of the machine if not well understood. In those cases one must be logged in as root to modify them. This could be considered a security problem but I never really thought about it that way because playing with the nondangerous option could be slightly iritating but not really detramental. From that respect loadkeys is another example of an insecure program which anyone can run to change the standard kernel keyboard maps, iritating if done but not necessarily fatal. If you're looking for official sanction I say go for it. I'm an anarchist afterall! 'grin' Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061