I realize this is off topic, but important Hi Everyone: I really do not like blanket e-mails, but wanted an organized way to share this information with as many people as possible. Recently, I asked a list question wondering why the website for Recordings for the Blind and Dyslexic was so difficult to use with very basic speech friendly Internet browsers, even those more frequented by those with less of a vision factor in their computing but who were Linux users. Not finding an answer, I phoned RFB&D....again I might add on this subject, but with greater determination. I went to a supervisor. The results were honestly stunning. One of the first things I learned, important given some on lists told me they too had expressed their dissatisfaction with the setup, was that e-mailing web support does not reach anyone involved with the web structure whatsoever. The second bit of shocking information was that none of those I spoke with had even hard of Linux, let alone Linux Shells, or the two speech friendly java script browsers, E-Links, <the chain> and E-Links. Likewise they were unaware of the changes in the Lynx <the cat> browser which makes it fully functional in all but the most java based, different from java script, settings, and even here there can be progress made. For those who do not know the nature of my testing, as a lifetime member of RFB&D, I thought I would try out the web setup for information hunting. When I tried Lynx <the cat> I got a message stating that scripts were required, but with no indication as to what those scripts might be. So, having a Linux Shell, I tested the sight with two popular speech friendly browsers, Links <the chain> and e-links. While I could at least reach the catalog page, I discovered that the site would not recognize text entered into any of the search fields no matter how many of them had information. Armed with the results of my work, I started making calls. Clueless was an understatement, along with the usual but no one uses Linux anyway. Never mind that many cell phone platforms and hand held or Pda devices use some variation of the Linux structure, and some even employ the browsers I tested. Here is the long and short of the situation. While RFB&D was unaware of the predicament, they were very interested in hearing from others, any others, weather members or not who either regularly used a Linux shell or either of these browsers, or who might if such were an option. Frankly they should hear from anyone at all who understands that a low graphical interface no matter what browser you use is the basic requirement for accessibility, and that as a organization helping individuals expand their educational opportunities, their site should be reachable by anyone even those using what might be considered to be older Internet technology. One must start with what you have to move forward. Not only are shell services popular, but many people simply use what they have on hand rather than spend money they cannot afford trying to play the endless upgrade game. For me, the educational aspect is the most important. Like a library, you should be able to reach the offerings of this service, much the way you can reach the Gutenberg Library, at the most basic denominational level. What I am asking everyone to do is this. I am going to list two numbers below. Even if you only leave a message for them I ask you to call and tell them that a site improvement is needful. If you are a member so much the better, or involved with an educational institution. Access is never about what works on one person's system, certainly not about what works on an insider network that bares little resemblance to what a individual wanting to tap into educational information would be using. I ask that you call and spread this message around. Unfortunately I could not get e-mail addresses, odd but true. Please phone either or both of these parties. Do it when it costs you nothing or next to nothing if you want, but let them hear from you. Thanks and here are the numbers: (609) 520-8079, most important as this party is blind and claimed never to have heard of any alternative technology such as I noted above. Jennifer, (609) 243-7603, customer services with RFB&D claiming that no one uses any of these browsers. Let's be clear. With a segment of the population having close to an 80% unemployment rate, and who may feel pressured not to talk about using alternative tools that differ from what are supposed to be used by a "good blind person," whatever that means, is it not reasonable to insure the greatest degree of access to educational materials via the computer as possible? I appreciate your reading this, and thank you in advance for taking action. Karen Lewellen