Regarding the use of a white list spam filter: "hmm. That is a way, how do you get mail from anyone new and how do you filterout mail which appears to be from an address but is not? ".dan." ddunfee at city-net.com" Look at the last line above. The .dan., which is period dan period for those with punctuation turned off, is one device. If I have sent an email to a new person it will appear in their response and doesn't get deleted. Equally so for someone seeing my address on a mailing list or similar place. If I know someone is going to send me a message who is new, usually because I give them my address, I add some part of their address or other text to the filter to catch it. If I think I will be getting mail from them and want to continue to do so I add them to my addressbook. I subscribe to many mailing lists, by using only the domain and extention domain type as a trigger text I can get mail from any list using that service. Thus one doesn't have to put every address in the addressbook. Also, the send to and recieve from address of mailing lists are often different so both would have to be in the addressbook to work. I can thus recieve mail from any using the service,ex. yahoogroups, and have the specific send mail address in my addressbook. The second part of the question never happens, the spammer would have to know to include an address or bit of text which triggers the filter to not to delete mail before it is sent, which is almost impossbile to predict on their part. XB IC|XC