Thanks all for the info. I obviously forgot that I had to be root and not suing to root. In any case I also noticed and forgot about this little jem I get when mounting cds at times. cdrom: failed setting lba address space mount: block device /dev/sr1 is write-protected, mounting read-only Obviously it mounts fine, but this is another of those odd behaviors I haven't found an answer for and so have for now accepted the strangeness of it and moved on. Well ay I'll try being root and see if I can do a dummy burn. tnx Scott