Sina Bahram writes: > Actually, I don't know why that is a false impression: they do not give you > the illusion of a text editor, as the data is read only, and also it makes > copying and pasting more intuitive ... Sited users can drag the mouse across > some text, highlighting it, and then do whatever with it, so I see no reason > why visually impaired users should not also have this ability? I was maening more that it is not how the web browser works itself, it is something inserted by the screen reader. Normally you can't cursor around the page in a web browser, only jump between the controls. Maybe it is my mistake, but I thought the person was expecting this behaviour to be in the web browser. > > Furthermore, I'm assuming you know this already since you brought windows > screenreaders into it, they call their cursors differently when doing this: > for example, jaws refers to it as a virtual cursor, specifically designed > for exactly this. > > Supernova and wineyes have similar naming conventions, but the illude me > right now; however, all the rellavent manuals and information is availible > on the respective companies' websites. > > I just found your statement a bit weird, since I don't believe that the > purpose of a website as purely presentational, should be always taken over > the obvious content that websites provide. > > Take care, > Sina > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of mikster4 at msn.com > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:13 PM > To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca > Subject: Re: getting off my windows dependency > > I am not sure what you are meaning about show cursor. If you mean for it to > show a cursor like in a text editor, I am not aware of one. I read the page > with the numpad review keys, and use the cursor keys to move the highlight > between page objects (e.g. links, text boxes, buttons, etc). Windows screen > readers give you a false impression, they make it possible to cursor through > the page like a word processor, in fact remove the screen reader, and that > is no longer so. > > All settings for elinks can be reached through the menu system, and the > screens that appear. You may find the setting screens more usable if you > have no page loaded. Also you will find you will have to keep changing > between cursoring mode in speakup. > Mike > Farhan writes: > >> yes, i actaully tried lynx and it was sorta wierd, i'll try elinks and >> see what happens do i have to type elinks show-cursor or not >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <mikster4 at msn.com> >> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:36 AM >> Subject: Re: getting off my windows dependency >> >> >>> Would be helpful if you described what you want help with. >>> >>> I will assume that you meant what e-mail clients and web browsers are >>> there. I will assume you have your hardware sorted, and can get a >>> connection to the internet. >>> I am currently writing this e-mail in cone. I like this because it >>> allows you to have multiple accounts specified, supports pop3, imap, >>> smtp, local mail and limited support for news accounts. I have found >>> that cone does not like my university imap server, so for that I use >>> pine. There are many more, and if you are using a distribution like >>> Debian or Gentoo with many packages and a package management system, >>> search that for e-mail, or similar. >>> >>> Web browsers, elinks is a good general purpose text based one, giving >>> cookies, java script, bookmarks, support for frames, and more. Most >>> pre-built packages of elinks do not seem to have java script, you may >>> have to build it from source (I found the patch included with elinks >>> 0.11 did not work on spidermonkey, so I had to compile spidermonkey >>> with elinks 0.10 first). Links2 comes with java script built in for >>> most pre-built packages, but links2 is more limited in features, >>> elinks is a branch-off from links2 and aims to give more features. >>> Lynx is a very basic text browser, but for simple things, I find >>> best. There may be some for gnome, but I don't know of these and their > accessibility. Mike Farhan writes: >>> >>>> Hey i want to get off my windows dependency for reading email and >>>> using the net but i'm not sure how to do this. i need some help to >>>> get away from...microcrap. help? >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >
