Actually, I don't know why that is a false impression: they do not give you the illusion of a text editor, as the data is read only, and also it makes copying and pasting more intuitive ... Sited users can drag the mouse across some text, highlighting it, and then do whatever with it, so I see no reason why visually impaired users should not also have this ability? Furthermore, I'm assuming you know this already since you brought windows screenreaders into it, they call their cursors differently when doing this: for example, jaws refers to it as a virtual cursor, specifically designed for exactly this. Supernova and wineyes have similar naming conventions, but the illude me right now; however, all the rellavent manuals and information is availible on the respective companies' websites. I just found your statement a bit weird, since I don't believe that the purpose of a website as purely presentational, should be always taken over the obvious content that websites provide. Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of mikster4 at msn.com Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:13 PM To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: getting off my windows dependency I am not sure what you are meaning about show cursor. If you mean for it to show a cursor like in a text editor, I am not aware of one. I read the page with the numpad review keys, and use the cursor keys to move the highlight between page objects (e.g. links, text boxes, buttons, etc). Windows screen readers give you a false impression, they make it possible to cursor through the page like a word processor, in fact remove the screen reader, and that is no longer so. All settings for elinks can be reached through the menu system, and the screens that appear. You may find the setting screens more usable if you have no page loaded. Also you will find you will have to keep changing between cursoring mode in speakup. Mike Farhan writes: > yes, i actaully tried lynx and it was sorta wierd, i'll try elinks and > see what happens do i have to type elinks show-cursor or not > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mikster4 at msn.com> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: getting off my windows dependency > > >> Would be helpful if you described what you want help with. >> >> I will assume that you meant what e-mail clients and web browsers are >> there. I will assume you have your hardware sorted, and can get a >> connection to the internet. >> I am currently writing this e-mail in cone. I like this because it >> allows you to have multiple accounts specified, supports pop3, imap, >> smtp, local mail and limited support for news accounts. I have found >> that cone does not like my university imap server, so for that I use >> pine. There are many more, and if you are using a distribution like >> Debian or Gentoo with many packages and a package management system, >> search that for e-mail, or similar. >> >> Web browsers, elinks is a good general purpose text based one, giving >> cookies, java script, bookmarks, support for frames, and more. Most >> pre-built packages of elinks do not seem to have java script, you may >> have to build it from source (I found the patch included with elinks >> 0.11 did not work on spidermonkey, so I had to compile spidermonkey >> with elinks 0.10 first). Links2 comes with java script built in for >> most pre-built packages, but links2 is more limited in features, >> elinks is a branch-off from links2 and aims to give more features. >> Lynx is a very basic text browser, but for simple things, I find >> best. There may be some for gnome, but I don't know of these and their accessibility. Mike Farhan writes: >> >>> Hey i want to get off my windows dependency for reading email and >>> using the net but i'm not sure how to do this. i need some help to >>> get away from...microcrap. help? >>> _______________________________________________
