Kenny, There has already been some discussion on debian-users about the grub / lilo thing in the installer, so I wasn't entirely surprised by that. I had better bone up on package building and using the make-kpkg command. I am really liking the Debian world. It has encouraged me to move beyond pine, lynx, and sendmail, and it is nice to see nano elevated to a default editor. That little gem has come a long way in recent years, too. A look at the /etc/nanorc file is a real education. Chuck PS: I include your original below, for those with short memories, but have not put my comments in the middle of it. On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 06:23:15AM -0500, Kenny Hitt wrote: > Hi. > > Since I use the kernel-package Debian package, upgrading my kernel after > the install is just copy my pre-built package to the new system and do > > dpkg -i my_local_package.deb > > I'm also using 2.6.11 with speakup 2.0. Unfortunately, I made changes > to the config to make my package specific to my systems, so others can't > use them without having problems like no IDE support for there chipset > and only support for the sblive and intel810 soundcards. Also, It will > only work on an AMD k7, so intel CPU users will be out of luck. > > I didn't know about the choice of boot loaders being broken. You might > want to check bugs.debian.org and file a bug if there isn't already one > filed. Since the only difference from the speakup install, and the > official one is the kernel, problems like not allowing you to choose > lilo instead of grub are general bugs in the installer. > > BTW, now that I've started using grub, I find I like it better than > lilo. I do understand that grub might not meet the needs of others, but > it works great for me. > > Hope this helps. > Kenny > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 06:58:55AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote: > > Hi Kenny, > > > > Okay. I guess I'll just go ahead and do the kernel upgrade immediately. > > I have a 2.6.11.11 kernel patched with speakup 2.0 running fine on my > > own system, so that's what I will put on this new system. > > > > Maybe Shane could be persuaded to release a fix of the netinst CD, since > > I expect that not everyone who installs Debian Sarge with speakup will > > want to do the kernel thing immediately. > > > > The other nuisance about the installer for Sarge now that it is stable, > > is the broken grub/lilo selection. Mine asks me if I want to go with > > grub, and selecting "no" installs it anyway. That too is an easy repair, > > but it used to work correctly when Sarge was testing, and seems broken > > only now when Sarge is stable. > > > > Oh well. If the world were perfect, what would we bitch about? > > > > Chuck > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 05:46:57AM -0500, Kenny Hitt wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > The first thing I do after the install is to build my kernel, so I > > > haven't experienced your problem. Since the speakup in Debian is out of > > > date, it doesn't surprise me. > > > > > > Sorry this isn't more helpful. > > > Kenny > > > > -- > > The Moon is Waning Crescent (19% of Full) > > But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- The Moon is Waning Crescent (17% of Full) But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh