Chuck, It isn't quite that bad. Your type'o has suggested that a full install is 14 cds. I think you meant to say 4 cds. If you install all source in addition to all the binaries, you end up with 7 or 8 cds or 2 dvds. The problem I have with the selecting everything, or doing the full install, is that it is the easy way out. Yes it works, but it installs a lot of unnecessary stuff and uses up a lot of resources. A good case in point is that it installs both kde and gnome. Additionally, it doesn't install absolutely everything as it implies, it installs almost everything on the binary disks and you need to install the source separately if you wish to. This approach also does nothing in teaching how to set up a system with only the packages you need and want. If you are only going to be using console based programs, there is no need to install any of the kde or gnome packages. It is incredible how much space can be saved when you take this approach. Now I am not knocking the installation howto that Janina has written. I am saying that what it does is a quick and easy install that gets the first time user up-and-running on Linux. What I would like to see however, is something that tells the user where they can find out more information on how to trim down their installation to only the packages they are going to use included in the howto. A simple reference to the Linux document page does nothing to direct a new or novice user to good information about creating a smaller or tidier installation. Steve Steve Dawes Calgary Canada.