Well, I still can't explain it but I solved it for the fedora installation the same way as I did for the debian one: I got rid of the current installation (the one from fedora) by doing "yum remove lynx" and downloaded and compiled 2.8.5-rel1 from the lynx website. Interestingly, when I removed fedora's version, I was told it was removing 2.8.5-1 but I was pretty sure it had said 2.8.5.dev16 when I checked i before. There were other little ideosyncracies, like the fedora lynx installation using fedora as the startfile even though that wasn't what the lynx.cfg had for a startfile; made me wonder what else they might have over-ridden. At any rate, with my new install fresh from lynx, the Pine site and the opensound site downloaded for me with no problem, AND ..... the Redhat 9 manual is there in all its glory. So I can't explain why it doesn't happen to everybody, but it seems to have had something to do with the .dev16 release. Other than that I can't say, but maybe somebody will be comforted and encouraged if they have a weird problem with lynx and see my saga in the archives. -- Cheryl "Do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand."