further to my last message, I must inform you the version number is wrong. it's speakup-utils-0.1B and the file you want is speakup-utils-0.1B.tar.gz my bad -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun.oliver at optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman