Ok, both speech-dispatcher and speechd_up loaded on boot, but I got no speech that way. My /var/log/speechd-up showed the following: [Sun May 2 07:21:19 2004] speechd: Speechd-speakup starts! [Sun May 2 07:21:19 2004] speechd: ERROR: [y: this command is not supported] I went all through Shaun's speechd_up file, thinking maybe i had accidentally messed something up when editing out of the email, but i didn't see anything. Any ideas? It's loading fine and talking with dectalk now when I don't let speech-dispatcher load at boot or kill it after login and reload. By the way, why is it called speechd-up.log when the package is speechd_up; any reason or just a mistype? Thanks. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."