I hadn't mentioned it because I thought Alex needed to do a floppy install. But there's an outdated (February 2004) sarge netinst-speakup iso; take a look at the February archives as I don't have it right at my fingertips at the moment. But I downloaded it and it talked and started the installation menu. So, even though it's outdated, if you use it with current sarge isos from a jigdo download, I think you MIGHT be able to install that way if you have a cdrom. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."