for whoever asked: at any debian mirror: debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy there are "access" images under floppy too, but I'm still trying to get info on whether you can use brltty and/or speakup with them and/or with the cdrom (preferably the cdrom). Have tried debian-access and blinux and now have posted to debian-user. Will share info if/when I get any. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."