Hi their. The fact that they're using a proprietary API doesn't seem very cool. What they should have done is possibly concentrate their efforts on Gnopernicus and maybe even the Mozilla Accessibility Project. Now if the GUI on MacOSX isn't exactly Gnome-like, then I'm afraid that wouldn't be feasable and it wouldn't be fair to expect the dev team to undertake this. Speakup on the Mac? The way I see it, their is only one way of acheveing this. Since I'd assume taht you don't have access to the kernel source, Speakup would have to run in userland as a daemon. That way, you could probably modify your /etc/rc.D and inetd scripts so you'd have speech at some point. YASR I have no idea, as I've never used it. Is it functionally equivelent to Speakup? Any differences? I'd like to know. -- Erik Heil <eheil at va3duk.serveftp.com> Phone: (865) 673-0542