Well, everybody, I got my program recorded but I did end up using sleep. somehow at and mplayer didn't like each other when I tested and I didn't have time to see if arecord did better. Mplayer would be started and get to the place of cache fill: 0:00 or something like that and then it would stop and no sound ever came. so I just set up the station and had it running before it left and put it in my script for using arecord to have a 2 hour 50 minute sleep before starting and it worked fine. Thanks for the input. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."