I found the listen-up cvs stuff over on linux-speakup.org, the braille.uwo.ca address isn't being used for that any longer. When I built listen-up last night I used enable-all as one of the configuration options in the osalp library build. Maybe that's why when trying to run listen-up against masteringoraclesql.bks it came back with shared library not found libaflib, I don't know but that was on a fedora core 1 system.