No, I was using speakup when I was in sc. Yea, I use the speakup read line keys to verify by looking at the top part of the screen. Plus the recent versions of sc place the curser on the currently selected cell so generally reding the current word or just to the right of it for numbers will tell you the contents of the current cell. That might seem a tad tedious but some of the headakes I've had with earlier versions of Window-Eyes and Excel, I can't say this situation with sc is all that bad. For emacs, there is an add-on spreadsheet program called dismal or something like that. I haven't tried it yet personally but it sounds like it might be interesting with emacspeak. I might take a look at it later on. -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://ld.net/?holmesgrown