hello Alex, When I first tried using Linux several years ago, I tried to learn emac with emac speake and was completely lost and gave up the whole process. I am making a second stab at it with Speakup running slackware. My purpose is use Linux as a end user. I. e, To have someone set up Linux and then I will use applications on it. I am doing quite well with mutt using joe as its editor and lynx, but Joe is just that, an editor and not a word processor. If Linux is to take a real bite out of Microsoft, it will have to be user friendly. The operating system is great now, but the applications are not ready for universal use. For example if an employer wanted to hire a secretary, he might be prepared to train her in using a user friendly word processor, something equivalent to wp51 but not Emac with its hundreds of command line commands. Also a user friendly spreadsheet such as Lotus for dos should be developed. I have ttried to use SC as my spreadsheet and so far have gotten nowhere with it. I have yet to figure out how to even key in numerric values, much less set up a complete spreadsheet. I do hope that there are some programmers out there busily keying many lines of code developing such types of applications, so as to make Linux a real contender in the home as well as in the market place environment. Do you feel that such programs are in the works? Thanks for listening to my ramblings, Ed, At 09:28 AM 1/28/2004 -0500, you wrote: >emacs is good for wordprocessing and there are a few console >spreadsheet apps. what I'm waiting for is gnome to become fully >accessible so we have stable access to openoffice. >On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 >at 09:22:40AM -0500, Ed Thurston wrote: >> Hello Janina, >> >> Thank you for replying to my querry concerning means of reading long >> files. However, I probably asked the wrong question. Now that the Linux >> operating system is working so well, when are user friendly application >> programs going to be available? In particular a good word processing >> program and a more user friendly spreadsheet program. >> >> Linux is making significant inroads into third world and other countries >> and with such open source or freeware application programs becoming >> available would dramatically speed up the spread of the operating system. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Ed, >> >> >> At 09:06 AM 1/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: >> >Or vim, which also supports all kinds of good things like bookmarks. >> > >> >Steve Holmes writes: >> >> From: Steve Holmes <steve at holmesgrown.com> >> >> >> >> It sounds like you might benefit from using emacs. Yes, it is a >> >> powerful and that often means complex, editor but you can bookmark >> >> your positions in multiple places and save them from one session to >> >> the next. Its a bit much to try and explain here but if you get into >> >> the info pages for emacs and look at the section on registers, you >> >> will find it. It works on read-only situations like info pages as >> >> well as files being edited. >> >> >> >> I know nothing about joe editor. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 08:59:45PM -0500, Ed Thurston wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hello Steve, >> >> > >> >> > you were right on the money! It worked fine that way and >> unfortunately I >> >> > learned by trying it out that the mark is not saved after the computer >> >> > reboots, so will probably just use an editor like Joe to read long files >> >> > and just insert symbols in the text at the point where I would >> want to >> >> > resume reading at a later date. I could use the find command to find >> the >> >> > symbol. >> >> > >> >> > Many thanks for your assistance with this problem. >> >> > >> >> > Do you know if there is any way to get Joe to read more than a page at a >> >> > time. 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