Thanks for the suggestions and especially to Janina for the attachments. I've got procmail and spamassassin working and I've captured four definitely spam messages in my spam box and probably avoided even seeing some in my pine mailbox. I sent myself a messages with viagra in the subject, and it never did show up in my pine inbox. And from what I capture in the spam box, I can create more entries for the rc.kills file. this is a major improvement!!! Will try looking at my exim setup also. thanks again!!! -- Cheryl