hi, well what do you both play? me, I'm a guitar man anyway that's not the point, I'm glad to a certain extent I'm holding back on gnopernicus mainly because of these issues. I'm the type of person that's likely to get ill tempered with the thing and toss it out the window if it really cracks the shits. to be honest, for now, I'm happy to be an end-user of GNU/Linux and pick up bits and pieces along the way. but I guess I'll be waiting for a while for gnopernicus to be prime time. but I'm also betting it'll be worth the wait. -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman