ah. yes that was it. you refreshed my memory. someone on the sydney linux users group was dicussing this very issue a day or so ago. thanks for reminding me of that. -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun.oliver at optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman