One thing I will say for this; when I hit contrl-alt-backspace to get out of it it really does close down, except that you do have to kill usound. when I was trying garnome and gnopernicus, I always had processes that didn't shut down until I went in and issued specific commands. so if it doesn't work for you, it still shouldn't hang up your system. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."