Well, I got zedval to extract ok. But here's what happened when I tried to use it. the directions said to do java ZedVal -help for options. I got: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: ZedVal I think java wasn't even connecting with ZedVal to get this error because I typed in several other things, including zedzed (lol!) where the zedVal was supposed to be in the command, and got the same error message. Any ideas? I'm also a bit puzzled because the info on zedval says the latest version of the jre is 1.4.1_01 and these instructions were last revised august 2003. It's now 1.4.2_01 and I think there may have been some in between. So maybe this was a typo? -- Cheryl