I share the distress Jes has expressed, but do not endorse his call for Kirk to intervene. Instead I endorse the appeal Shaun has made to ignore the fellow. I would add to that the recommendation to ignore the entire thread. Here is my thinking on it: We are (or ought to be) a community of adults capable of solving group problems in a group way. Kirk's role as "moderator" is a technical one only. He maintains the subscription list, trouble shoots problems in list distribution, and so on, plus of course his authoritative inputs on technical matters, particularly speakup issues. But he is not our parent or our camp counselor who will step in and fix things for us when we cannot fix them ourselves. I am sure Kirk is as pissed off as any of us with this thread, and he has taken the route that we should all take: absolute silence. I have modified my procmail rules for two reasons, and include the revision below. One reason is that my original posting failed to intercept messages from kevin, so that has been changed so it now works. The other reason is that it is no longer just kevin's postings that are the problem, as Jes as pointed out, but the entire banter they have spawned among the rest of us, who seem to keep trying to find a handle on this bowl of porridge. So I added a rule to detect and deep six all mail with the string "***SPAM***" on the subject line. I intend to enjoy a relatively peaceful Sunday with only the useful and interesting stuff reaching me from now on. I am an old man and do not have the time to wade through the crap searching for something to think about. Here is my revision: :0 c * ^Subject: .*\*\*\*SPAM\*\*\* | play /usr/local/etc/flush.wav :0 A $HOME/mail/spam :0 c * ^From: .*<kjsisco at rcn.com> | play /usr/local/etc/flush.wav :0 A $HOME/mail/spam Those of you not yet running Linux will not be able to use the above procmail solution, sorry about that, so get a wiggle on and move on up!!! Chuck -- The Moon is Waxing Crescent (1% of Full) Get my public key from website, http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh