Hi all. Thanks to Kirk who sent me the script he uses to get speak freely services running, I got to see how the options described in the sfreflect man page are actually invoked, and things made a lot more sense. I've got everything working, sfreflect (kind of) and sflwld. I said that I have sfreflect working kind of. Here's the problem. I want to use sfspeaker and sfmike on the machine that's running sfreflect, so I can get on the reflector from that machine. I am invoking sfreflect with the -m option like this: -mlwl.romuald.net.eu.org:4078 In my script running sfspeaker and sfmike, I have sfspeaker and sfmike invoked as follows: sfspeaker -p4078 & sfmike lwl.romuald.net.eu.org:4074 I get no errors when running the client script, however I cannot send/get audio or text chat. After a while, I get the following message: connecting look who's listening socket: Connection timed out Could someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. Oh, yes, when I connect as described above, I do show up on the lwl web page. Greg -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager at EU.org