Well, it's kinda difficult to say for sure what you mean by crap. Certainly we've seen that Greg has had problems with it for whatever reason. He didn't actually figure out what his problem was so whether it is a kernel code problem or a configuration problem would depend on him hunting down the difficulty which he may not bother doing now that he's got his system working reliably once again. For my part I have not made any concerted effort to move to 2.4.22 but I do have three machines out of about a dozen using it with no difficulties so far. I would say that 2.6.xx is considerably more flakey than 2.4.22 at this stage and that's taking into consideration that there are major configuration differences between the 2.4.xx and 2.6.xx code lines. So in my opinion 2.4.22 is not particularly scrap. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061