I set up a mailing list on mailman and got the errors in newlist I sent previously. i decided to try sending something to mailman-owner at interfree.ca and the server wouldn't accept the address. mailman-owner is an alias, so it should have I thought. When I try to send a subscribe to mylist-request, it tells me that the list is not active. I get an error number of 451. I suppose I'll have to fined a mailman mailing list. I wish that the code as installed by debian would run without script errors. Rejean Proulx Visit my family at http://interfree.ca MSN is: rejp at rogers.com Ham License VA3REJ