just a quick question? is emacs commonly used among blind people? in my oppinion, i don't like it - one reason is because i don't like lisp. and emacs has several severe limitations, like windows, that prevent it being used with speech. i guess i should say stalls, not prevents. with emacspeak, it doesn't really speak everything. similar to how windows doesn't speak its own error messages. and, it sometimes speaks too much. you can't have two things going on at once (two downloads, etc). emacs has its advantages, e.g. multi-file editing, buffer names instead of sesion numbers, etc. but -- i'm just wondering how prevalent the use of emacs is among speakup users, and other screen-access users. i don't just say speakup users - since there are people out there that use other speech access products. i'm still using a serial terminal, with screen power for dos. that seems to be abandoned, and i can't find a copy anywhere on the web. luckally i had a small hard drive on that machine, so just can back it up. amazing how much software gets abandoned, and demos are floating out there. i recently seen a demo for window-eyes 1.0.