Hi all, >>>>> "Nigel" == Nigel <stoppard at ntlworld.com> writes: Nigel> Hi all, Not being able to look at a computer screen Nigel> means that it is very difficult to get information on Nigel> linux. Oh, really? Interesting, an OS that has megabytes of good documentation in either txt or html format is hard to access if you can't read the screen? An operating system that has documentation for each utility and each program and howtos for installation that, if you know what you're reading, can help you install the complete distribution is hard to access without looking at the screen? An operating system whose makers believe that one should have access to complete documentation is difficult to access because you can't read the screen? Hmmmmmm, interesting. Nigel> I have found a 8.1 version of slackware and installing Nigel> speakup sounds pretty tricky. Particularly as i will Nigel> not be able to look at the screen. Perhaps Slackware is not the distribution you want. Might I suggest Debian? I'm not positive on this point, but I think the speakup modules and so on exist for Slackware. What makes you think it would be so difficult? If you know how to answer the questions, access is no problem. Nigel> I was wondering if there are other visualy impaired Nigel> users of speakup on this list or if it is for Nigel> developers. I have been using jaws to look at linux Nigel> stuff most of the afternoon but the more i read the more Nigel> it feels like its harder than blind folded brain Nigel> surgery. I am starting to think i would be better off Nigel> sticking with windows for the moment. Oh, my stars and garters! O my eyes and teeth! Let me see if I have your logic straight here, Nigel. User equals blind. Programmer equals sighted. All users are blind. All programmers are sighted. No users are programmers, therefore no users are sighted. And finally, all programmers are not users, therefore programmer equals sighted? this is very interesting logic. Just exactly how did you arrive at this logic? Where did you get the parts of this silogism? Unfortunately, your information is faulty, therefore your logic is faulty and therefore your silogism doesn't compute. Here is the correct info. Most all members of this discussion group are blind. All members of this discussion list use Speakup. Many members of this discussion list are programmers who are programming their own screen reader for Linux, i.e. speakup. Therefore, all programmers of Speakup use their own program. All users are blind. In finally, there are no sighted programmers who are currently working on the development of Speakup. Therefore, access to an eyes-free installation is assured! Nigel> I have been looking at a linux newbies questions web Nigel> site for slackware but its not very accessable using Nigel> jaws. Well, you might want to look at:' http://www.linux-speakup.org You might conceivably find some information there which might be useful. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp at eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT