Yeah call them up and they'll have a good laugh. Really the only way they'd know is port scanning and I'm sure most do that and not a lot more. You could of course run services on other ports, but that is a drag. Gee I wonder what server I could run on some odd port and see how long it would take before they told me I was being naughty and to stop.<grin> Might not be a bad test. Any thoughts? Scott