ok, some more I must say on this subject. I've been up on the reflector and raised this issue there. a couple of us see it like this. whilst a permenant solution is always good for meeting required guide lines etc, annoying little things like deadlines and the like prevent us from doing the permenant fix first off. sometimes a quick and dirty hack or a gerry rig if you will is what's needed until you can get that permenant fix inplace. to be fare to you janina, I admire the work you do and thank you for it. even though I'm in australia, I can learn a great deal from you. however, you need to remember who you're talking to on here. we're all on your side here. and while we may not always adopt good practices for one reason or another, it doesn't pay to post saying no bloody way you're kidding, and be as well to put not too fine a point on it be as narrow minded as the people I'm sure you come up against in your line of work. this isn't a flame, I consider it constructive critisisim. we all tend to forget from time to time who we're talking to on this list and we all tend to flame each other for one stupid thing or another. I think the quoteI have at the end of each of my mesages is rather apt for this post. let's all remember we're on the same side. save the attitude for the people that need it. -- Shaun Oliver "Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow!" EMAIL: shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: blindman_2001 at hotmail.com AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun