If you are going to apply the speakup patches, why wouldn't you use the checkout script? I mean, that's what it is designed for. As a matter of fact, I do not support the install script so if it works for cvs it is an accident rather than planned. The install script is written for speakup tarballs when they exist. You are making life a lot more difficult than necessary. And imagine, all you need do is read the documentation to realize it. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061