Hi Janina, If you are continuing to read the messages of this thread, you are learning of the evidence. I consider Red Hat's actions to be deliberate. Ignorance can not be claimed, since many attempts at enlightenment have been made. I stand by my consideration of their policies of sub-human treatment for the blind as being deliberate. Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! A+, CCNA, Network+! Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: Re: RH9 disks on the net. > Luke Davis writes: > > From: Luke Davis <ldavis at shellworld.net> > > > > On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > Luke Davis writes: > > False. > > > There is no evidence of any deliberation, nor of any decision. > > There is certainly evidence that special accomodations were not allowed. > I would certainly agree that they should haave been allowed. That would > constitute a reasonable accomodation and thus be more likely to equalize > the opportunity. But, that isn't the same as people sitting down to say > "let's stick it to this person." That's what "deliberately deny" means. > > Did they deny equal access? Arguably so, by virtue of not making > reasonable and appropriate accomodations. Was that a "deliberate > decision to deny?" Bull.. > > Ignorance and lack of consideration? Yes. "Deliberate decision to deny." > Hardly. > > Or, perhaps you're privvy to some smoking memo? Or the meeting agenda > where this deliberate decision was reached? > > So, thaat's one supposed fact in question. You did say "facts," as in > the plural. So, what else > > > > > > "I have not investigated, and do not intend to investigate, the facts he > > > listed." > > > > > > Facts? What facts? There were no "facts" in that post, just allegations. > > > Rather outrageous ones, too. > > > > Regarding: > > > > > Some will recall that Red Hat recently decided to deliberately deny > > > equal access to its training material as offered to those whom decide to > > > take their week-long RHCE training classes. Oh, well... > > > > Is this false? Did they, or did they not, make these inaccessible? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup