Ah, I just realized one thing I forgot to mention or am sure I didn't in my original msg. I neglected to mention the error I'm getting when I try to do any lookups beyond my own info, is the connection times out. This could very well point to a problem with the bind configuration perhaps? I'm sure its not my firewall cause I even as crazy as it is, ran the box for a short without one just to test and was getting the same error. This then must surely be a problem with the configuration. I did run the namedcheck-conf and it gave no errors, but that might not mean much. Does bind 9 bind to all ports and listen or was that behavior changed from prior versions. thanks for the help thus far. Scott