if you run the numbers in sequence or some silly thing like 1234567 or something to that effect, it will complain. I've played with unreal ircd here as I'm an ircoperator on the angeleyez irc network. irc.angeleyez.net what I ended up doing was using a combination of numbers that consisted of each number at least once somewhere. but I think you can only have values in the thousands range. hth ps, u need 3 or it will not work. hth -- Shaun Oliver It's multiple choice time... What is FORTRAN? a: Between thre and fiv tran. b: What two computers engage in before they interface. c: Ridiculous.