All it takes is a reclass to redefine most of them, but as I said I won't argue about that. There's 2 things that'll keep windows the standard os for years to come, simplicity and inertia. Do I need to say more? At 05:21 PM 9/13/02 -0500, you wrote: > >If you're in windblows, and there is something for which you don't have set files or scripts for your screen reader, hearing "custom control" as you move around is indeed very intuitive, (yes, I'm being sarcastic). >Greg Jason Symes kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat can cause kids The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke) if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything. If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all! Just trying to plug away!