Actually, my information regarding Microsoft is out of date as of February 2001. its been moved from FreeBSD back to Windows 2000 server (which will explain the number of IIS related holes its had over the past year). The information re cisco is still accurate at least as far as their web presence is concerned (can't vouch for internal stuff but its likely the same). Regards aaron -- +----------------------------------------------------------+ / |\ _,,,---,,_ /| / /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ / | / |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' / | / '---''(_/--' `-'\_) / | +----------------------------------------------------------+ | | Aaron Howell Kitten Internet | | | aaron at kitten.net.au Internet consultancy, | | | Phone: +61-417-625550 System administration, | | | fax: +61-7-36010099 system design/integration. | | | icq: 6715521 http://www.kitten.net.au | | | | | | | + | | / | | / | | / | |/ +----------------------------------------------------------+