Hi First it does not find the ne with out it.. second I opened up my old aptiva and I see some pci slots next to the isa slots but it is a strange design, what kind of pci card should I get.. what are the good/best bang for the buck cards? also what is a good isa card.. just incase.. ------------------------- Patrick Turnage e-mail:pturnage at tampabay.rr.com Telephone: (850) 459-7717 HomePage: http://www.access-connect.com Amateur radio callsign:kg4dqk AOL Instant Messenger:kg4dqk icq:26862191 MSN:turnagep at hotmail.com Yahoo!:kg4dqk America Online:kg4dqk1129 kg4dqk1129 at aol.com