Just curious with respect to the thread on api apm bla bla etc. My box even if I say yes to power management and no to api etc. does not shutdown. I thought perhaps from what I read in the help menu while compiling the kernel you could have the power-down feature without having the api stuff in the kernel. Perhaps I'm wrong on this, but someone tell me the score? I got the impression taht if you turn on the power management stuff in the kernel you are more likely to run into problems and well like I said for a desktop, not so sure there's any reason to bother. I imagine if your away for hours at a time, but to make it worth your while everything would have to be shutdown I supose. I sure don't mind turning off the power switch in any case, but having itself off is handy.<grin> Scott