On Thu, 23 May 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > Toby: > > I was never able to make hide nor hair of exactly that file. My > last heavy use of Win was exactly Win 98, though it was certainly > before JFW 3.5. > > I don't know that we're exactly OK in saying "it's accessible" if > it's dependent on a particular proprietary assistive technology. > That doesn't define "accessible" in my book. I don't think JFW is alone in this respect, in fact I'm sure it's not. It's just a simple tree view, you know, like you can get on Explorer, but which you shouldn't use if you don't have a loppy in the drive when you scroll past it. But I'd be surprised if there are screen readers for Windows out theer that can't access it. > Could you post an example of its output on this list that's > readable? Or is that a hack? If it's a hack, then it's not > accessible from that measure as well. Hmmm, I will try, but I don't think I'd be able to do it, because I can't easily copy stuff from it to the clip board I don't think. Unless, of course, someone knows how to edit a screen dump in Windows. I'm sorry, though, I do disagree with you about the accessibility of this, if, as I suspect, all screen readers can access it, and no, my access to it is not a hack. If I'm honest, I do sometimes get a bit frustrated with people who say that so and so is not accessible, when in fact all it may require is a little patience. Ok, it's not *totally* accessible, but to say that things are *totally* inaccessible if you can't access them with your first attempt is also ludicrous, and I think is perhaps part of the reason that there is resistance to making some things accessible, the view exists in some quarters that we expect everything on a plate and are not willing to expend any effort. This is, of course, not true and such an attitude is no excuse, but imho, there it is. Cheers. -- Toby Fisher Email: toby at g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239 ICQ: #61744808 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
