This is helpful. Thanks. -- charlie. At 10:20 PM 5/13/02 -0400, you wrote: >Exactly! You have no real way to start. When I started using jfw in 1997, >I listened to the tapes, and in 1998, started reading the windows help. >Once in the summer, I was reading the msn troubleshooter for fun, and >stumbled on of those "the troubleshooter can't help you." it had a special >part thaqt said "call x if your in y, or y if you are in z" or that kind of >thing. >Anyway, I called a spanish phone number, and kept hitting numbers til >someone answered, and then promptly hung up <lol>. I think the only reason >linux is so crapy in so many places is that the people that are writing it >don't have a long-term goal. For example, the goal for most software >development companies is to make money. Since the only thing in linux that >I know of that you can buy is oss and installation cds, there's not much of >a goal. But they do it anyway. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita at home.ro> >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> >Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:04 PM >Subject: Re: xwindows > > > > But a good idea would be something like Norton Commander for DOS which has >a > > command line. > > If someone knows the command line parameters, they can use it, but if they > > don't know, they can choose from a lot of menus. > > > > A good idea would be a kind of menus that can be easily changed without > > programming. > > For example, it would be nice to be able to go to the menu, choose the > > commands menu/shell submenu, then from there choose "Print HTTPD.conf >file" > > > > This would be more simple than typing cat /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf for > > some users because they don't need to remember all that path. > > Of course, it was just an example, but there are a lot more complicated > > command lines. > > > > And that menuing system, should accept me to go to "Configure menu" >submenu, > > and there to be able to define other menus and submenus with the command > > lines I want. > > It should have a good "find files" feature that has options that can be > > checked, or advanced options like Regular expressions. > > > > This way, or the graphical interface, it is absolutely necessary for Linux > > to beat Windows. > > > > But yes, of course, somebody should make that program, but for free... > > nobody jumps. > > > > I am a beginner in Linux, and reading the man pages is like reading some > > comments from a C or Perl code. > > There is no real help in Linux like in Windows. > > In my opinion, the help file is for those who don't know, for beginners, >for > > newbies. > > The man pages of Linux are kind of reference for advanced users who don't > > remember well the command line parameters, etc. > > > > That menuing program, if it is well done, and sold for a resonable fee >(not > > for free) would help many new Linux users. > > > > Those new Linux users may want to pay for some nice programs that don't > > cost as much as the Windows ones, and this way, the Linux community will > > increase, and a lot of programmers will think to start learning >programming > > under Linux. > > > > A system as Linux now, will remain only for advanced users, system > > administrators, web space providers, and not for the large public. > > The problem is that someone should start this for free, because, those >Linux > > advanced users won't pay for such a software. > > They will use the command line because they know how. > > > > But making that software, or (for blind users) making the graphical > > interface accessible for us, will be profitable even they will start > > creating it for free or for a very low cost. > > > > > > Teddy, > > orasnita at home.ro > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:09 PM > > Subject: Re: xwindows > > > > > > Charlie: > > > > Well, there's absolutely nothing stopping someone from writing > > such a menuing system! > > > > hint hint hint > > > > Getting people to use it instead of the command line? Well, > > that's another story. > > > > Here's what I think will happen. Some peopl will chose it because > > it seems to make life simple. Then they'll want to do something > > the menus don't support. Then the author gets mail saying "why > > doesn't your menu ..." Then were are you? > > > > Back at the command line? > > > > Hopefully. Because the alternative, a fully capable menuing > > system, is far worse. > > > > Just goes to say there's no substitute for learning. > > > > On Mon, 13 May 2002, Charles Crawford wrote: > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > There is access not far off. I would like to see a menuing > > system > > > for Linix text mode that would reduce the criptic command line having to > > > remember all those commands and switches. > > > > > > -- charlie Crawford. > > > At 10:12 PM 05/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Do you think we will ever have access to the gui? > > > > > > > >I find that I can access things faster in windows then in Linux text > > > >mode. I will admit that linux works much better then windows or the > > winxp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Speakup mailing list > > > >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
