But a good idea would be something like Norton Commander for DOS which has a command line. If someone knows the command line parameters, they can use it, but if they don't know, they can choose from a lot of menus. A good idea would be a kind of menus that can be easily changed without programming. For example, it would be nice to be able to go to the menu, choose the commands menu/shell submenu, then from there choose "Print HTTPD.conf file" This would be more simple than typing cat /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf for some users because they don't need to remember all that path. Of course, it was just an example, but there are a lot more complicated command lines. And that menuing system, should accept me to go to "Configure menu" submenu, and there to be able to define other menus and submenus with the command lines I want. It should have a good "find files" feature that has options that can be checked, or advanced options like Regular expressions. This way, or the graphical interface, it is absolutely necessary for Linux to beat Windows. But yes, of course, somebody should make that program, but for free... nobody jumps. I am a beginner in Linux, and reading the man pages is like reading some comments from a C or Perl code. There is no real help in Linux like in Windows. In my opinion, the help file is for those who don't know, for beginners, for newbies. The man pages of Linux are kind of reference for advanced users who don't remember well the command line parameters, etc. That menuing program, if it is well done, and sold for a resonable fee (not for free) would help many new Linux users. Those new Linux users may want to pay for some nice programs that don't cost as much as the Windows ones, and this way, the Linux community will increase, and a lot of programmers will think to start learning programming under Linux. A system as Linux now, will remain only for advanced users, system administrators, web space providers, and not for the large public. The problem is that someone should start this for free, because, those Linux advanced users won't pay for such a software. They will use the command line because they know how. But making that software, or (for blind users) making the graphical interface accessible for us, will be profitable even they will start creating it for free or for a very low cost. Teddy, orasnita at home.ro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:09 PM Subject: Re: xwindows Charlie: Well, there's absolutely nothing stopping someone from writing such a menuing system! hint hint hint Getting people to use it instead of the command line? Well, that's another story. Here's what I think will happen. Some peopl will chose it because it seems to make life simple. Then they'll want to do something the menus don't support. Then the author gets mail saying "why doesn't your menu ..." Then were are you? Back at the command line? Hopefully. Because the alternative, a fully capable menuing system, is far worse. Just goes to say there's no substitute for learning. On Mon, 13 May 2002, Charles Crawford wrote: > Jim, > > There is access not far off. I would like to see a menuing system > for Linix text mode that would reduce the criptic command line having to > remember all those commands and switches. > > -- charlie Crawford. > At 10:12 PM 05/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Do you think we will ever have access to the gui? > > > >I find that I can access things faster in windows then in Linux text > >mode. I will admit that linux works much better then windows or the winxp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
