>Hi toby and all, You said: "Another way to put it, if I were >being particularly blunt, which I'm not, is r t fm. > >Ok, so people don't use uniform interfaces, but that's great, cos it means >that those that don't like a certain interface have a choice." While I understand what you are saying, the statement only reinforces the view of the vast majority of people who reject Linux and Unix for that matter based upon the real difficulties of using them. I do not consider myself a novice at computing and I love the text mode of Linux and it's speed, but spending inordinate amounts of time trying to learn and use this obviously great system is a time consumer neither I nor most other folks can aford. Even when I have consulted the how to docs, I have to say that they often only sort of help. So why is there not a tape tutorial for Linux tht can be used by the average blind person? Maybe that is more needed than any other project. -- Charlie.