Actually...No, telnet and ftp are not built into the kernel. (Heh. Betcha someone else beat me to that.) These are just your standard client/server programs (if you want people to access your machine, you run a telnet or ftp server, but if not, you just need a client, like telnet or ftp or ncftp or something like that.) These aren't anything to do with the kernel, which only deals with the actual hardware, protocols, connectivity junk, and so on. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV/3 | I choose you to take up all of my time. Email: davros at ycardz.com | I choose you because you're funny and kind | I want easy people from now on. | --the Nields